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Friday, January 25, 2008

Quinky dink or not...con'td

(If you haven't read Part 1, here's a link!)

A very astute reader pointed out that the December 12, 2007 Town Board minutes actually gives the name of the person who bought the 1999 International 4700 truck and plow from the Town of New Hartford on ebay. Wonder why they wouldn't tell us when we asked the question at the meeting? Come to think of it, we just listened to our tape of the meeting and none of that information was given out at the meeting! They only voted to accept the $7,500 bid for the truck sold on ebay. Must be that the town clerk filed in the blanks AFTER the meeting!

From the December 12, 2007 town board minutes:
Highway Superintendent:

Sales of Surplus Property
The Highway Superintendent reported that Truck 72, a 1999 International, had been sold on e-Bay. Thereafter, the following Resolution was introduced for adoption by Councilman Payne and duly seconded by Councilman Reynolds:

(RESOLUTION NO. 290 OF 2007)

RESOLVED that the New Hartford Town Board does hereby accept the $7500 bid submitted on e-Bay by Norman Gaumer for the purchase of one (1) surplus 1999 International Dump Truck, Model 470, VIN 1HTSCAAL4XH667487 and does further authorize and direct the Town Supervisor to execute Section 1 – Transfer by Owner on the Certificate of Title for said vehicle.

The Supervisor declared the Resolution unanimously carried and duly ADOPTED.
Norman Gaumer, now where have we seen that name before? Oh yeah, according to records we obtained from the DMV, Norman Gaumer was the one who registered the 1988 Ford Dump Truck VIN#1FDYS90L4JVA45633...the address on the registration...same as General Property Maintenance. Remember, the dump trucks that Highway Superintendent Roger Cleveland sold to Al Roberts without board approval...we blogged about that a while back. On January 4, 2006, the Highway Superintendent justified selling one group of vehicles because they were declared surplus in 2005, but he actually sold a different group of vehicles, some of which had never been declared surplus by the town board. Al Roberts of Roberts Construction was the sole bidder for the vehicles.

From the January 4, 2006 town board minutes:
Disposition of Surplus Vehicles
Upon report of the Highway Superintendent, Councilman Woodland introduced the following Resolution for adoption; seconded by Supervisor Reed:


WHEREAS, by Resolution No. 208 adopted July 20, 2005, the Town Board declared the following vehicles as surplus and authorized the Town Supervisor to solicit bids for the public sale of the surplus vehicles:

1989 Chevrolet Suburban - VIN 1GNER16K2KF179482
1990 Chevrolet Van - VIN 1GCCG15Z3178151162
1991 Chevrolet Pick-up - VIN 1GCGS14ZXM2153887
1995 Jeep Cherokee - VIN 1J4FJ68S4SL507785
1995 Jeep SPT - VIN 1J4FJ68S0SL646389
1996 Ford Crown Victoria - VIN 2FALP71W6TX167995
1996 Ford Crown Victoria - VIN 2FALP71W2TX167993
1996 Ford Suburban - VIN 1FUKE30H9SHB62081; and

WHEREAS, the Highway Superintendent acknowledged receipt of a sole bid on January 4, 2006 which had been canvassed and subsequently discussed with the Public Works & Sewer Committee;

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the New Hartford Town Board does hereby accept the sole bid submitted by Roberts Construction of Upstate New York in the amount of Eight Thousand Dollars ($8,000) and does hereby sell the following vehicles to said Roberts Construction, in “as is” condition, with no warranties implied or expressed:

1988 Ford Dump Truck, VIN 1FDYS90L4JVA45633
1988 Ford Dump Truck, VIN 1FDYS90L6JVA45634
1989 Chevrolet Suburban, VIN 1GNER16K2KF179482
1991 Chevrolet (S-10) Pick-up Truck, VIN 1GCGS14ZXM2153887
1994 GMC (3HD) Dump Truck, VIN 1GDKC34F1RJ502454
1995 Jeep Cherokee, VIN 1J4FJ68S4SL507785.

The Resolution was declared unanimously carried and duly ADOPTED.
Wonder how Norman Gaumer acquired the dump truck (VIN#1FDYS90L4JVA45633) when Al Roberts was the one that actually bought it from the town? The DMV records don't show anyone but the Town of New Hartford owning the vehicle prior to Norman Gaumer registering it. Did Al Roberts sell the vehicle to Norman Gaumer after he bought it from the town? If Al Roberts didn't register the vehicle and the town doesn't collect sales tax then one would have to assume that Al Roberts didn't pay sales tax, wouldn't they? Very strange...very strange indeed!

Hmm! Wonder if there is a connection there? Funny, how certain names keep popping up. Al Roberts...Norman Gaumer...General Property Maintenance...Roger Cleveland...Hmmm! Must be a quinky dink!


Curious said...

When did General Property Maintenance put out for sale - the Town Plow that they bought on e-bay for $7,500?

Are you telling us that within a month or two or less...Norman Gaunter (spelling ?) who owns General Property Maintenance is going to make a "killing" selling the vehicles previously purchased from the Town.

One would think that these business transactions with the Town Superintendent "unjustly enriched" a select few individuals, (i.e. Roger Cleveland, Norman Gaunter and Al Roberts?)

Anonymous said...

OK this is a little confusing but am I correct in saying that it *looks like* folks in New Taxford are selling town property to their friends "through channels" to associates or friends, who later sell them at their actual market value?

And this has now been documented twice involving the same names?

Wow can you say Office of the New York State Comptroller?

Ohhh! That would explain all their hits coming to my site from yours! Wow I'm glad I'm nt one of these guys!!

Keeo it up EVERYONE is talking!

New Hartford, N.Y. Online said...


Sure looks that way. We're not sure exactly when the truck was put out in front of the Smoking Gun Saloon for sale, but the pictures were taken January 21, 2008.

New Hartford, N.Y. Online said...


You got it. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...maybe it is a duck. Time will tell, but the facts are just as we presented them.